It’s obvious they want a civil war

Meet Derp Potato. Derp Potato is ready for war. I'm ready for French Fries.

Meet Derp Potato. Derp Potato is ready for war. I’m ready for French Fries.

First, I apologize for the hiatus. Had some medical stuff to take care of, as well as some work stuff, as well as some home stuff, as well as naps. Because naps are way more important than any other… stuff. So naps.

I have been following the news, though, and I have to say that certain elements on both the right and the left seem to be angling demanding screaming for fomenting an actual war.

First there was an article in Foreign Policy magazine by a Rosa Brooks, who back in April 2016 wrote for the magazine that Trump actually was formulating a pretty coherent foreign policy. Recently she penned a screed discussing ways we could get rid of 45 that includes a… military coup. Um.

What would top U.S. military leaders do if given an order that struck them as not merely ill-advised, but dangerously unhinged? An order that wasn’t along the lines of “Prepare a plan to invade Iraq if Congress authorizes it based on questionable intelligence,” but “Prepare to invade Mexico tomorrow!” or “Start rounding up Muslim Americans and sending them to Guantánamo!” or “I’m going to teach China a lesson — with nukes!”

It’s impossible to say, of course. The prospect of American military leaders responding to a presidential order with open defiance is frightening — but so, too, is the prospect of military obedience to an insane order. After all, military officers swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not the president. For the first time in my life, I can imagine plausible scenarios in which senior military officials might simply tell the president: “No, sir. We’re not doing that,” to thunderous applause from the New York Times editorial board.

Now, I discussed this in a previous rant during the primaries after he claimed that because he’s oh-so-cool, military commanders would just fall in line and obey his orders, and target civilians for extermination, no matter how illegal.

The UCMJ states very specifically that members of the military must follow lawful orders.

I remember very clearly sitting in the bay in Basic Training and discussing lawful versus unlawful orders. I remember the Drill Sergeants specifically telling us that not only must we refuse to obey an unlawful order, but we could be legally prosecuted for doing so! I would say murdering civilians kind of qualifies.

The “I was only following orders” defense didn’t work for Nazi assholes, and they won’t work in this country either.

So, no.

But a military coup? That’s a whole lotta different from disobeying an unlawful order.

Of course, the unhinged leftist celebricunts didn’t let that stop them. After either having read the piece (doubtful, since most of them would need a thesaurus and additional brain cells to comprehend it), or just come up with the bright idea after a night of snorting Lithium ground up with paint chips, and sipping Drano, they are insanely claiming that the military would stand with them in a military coup against Trump.

I. Shit. You. Not.

resistanceThe amazing lack of self awareness from a crowd that is too cowardly to defend themselves with a firearm, and promotes citizen disarmament writ large, claiming that men and women with guns will stand up with them to promote their unhinged agenda would be hilarious, if it wasn’t sadly delusional.
Such deranged retards include the always entertaining (in the sheer lunacy of her statements) Sarah Silverman, and the sputtering, spewing, frothing, former Minnesota Vikings punter and current DERP! potato Chris Kluwe(less).

derpWhile I appreciated Kluwe(less)’s ardent defense of marriage equality and gay rights (after all, even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes, and in this case, the squirrel and the nut are one and the same), his moronic social justice bleating and this current claims of somehow being an “expert” at combat (no, the armed forces do not use the Glock 17 – as a matter of fact Sig Sauer just beat out Glock, FN America, and Beretta – the maker of the current M9 service pistol – in the competition to become the military’s handgun), make him less than competent to comment on current or potential combat situations. Video games and kicking a football =\= real life combat, you pugnacious fucktard. And encouraging your frothing buddies to loot gun stores and armories will only get them killed.

And then, there were the fires, looting, and riots at Berkeley.


Why? Because the special snowflakes couldn’t possibly allow someone with whom they disagree to have the opportunity to speak. Home of the free speech movement, indeed. It’s more like a bowel movement nowadays. This caused the Trump Administration to threaten to cut off funds to Bezerkeley, and rightfully so. I’m a taxpayer, and so is every individual who holds views that differing views from the howling psychopaths who set property on fire in order to silence a speaker whom they dislike. And personally, I don’t want my tax dollars used to fund suppression of free speech. I’m fairly sure others don’t either. If Bezerkeley insists on doing so, they don’t need my hard earned dollars.

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) on Thursday released a statement calling the president’s apparent threat an “abuse of power.”

“President Donald Trump cannot bully our university into silence. Simply put, President Trump’s empty threat to cut funding from UC Berkeley is an abuse of power,” she said in the statement.

So Trump can’t “bully” the university into ostensible silence by withholding federal money that belongs to all taxpayers, but the university can use federal money that belongs to all taxpayers to bully an invited guest into silence? Is that the way it works, you dried up, hypocritical hag? You want our money to fund your tyrannical tactics, and if we threaten to pull our funds, you call it bullying?

Yeah, how about you go get fucked by a rabid wildebeest, MKAY?

The university claims that masked agitators came onto campus and began throwing Molotov cocktails and rocks, and interrupting a protest.

Yeah, I sure believe that one. Pull the other one, will ya?

Ultimately, it doesn’t matter who the agitators were. They were there to start a war. They were there to instigate violence. Just like these celebricunts are doing (from the relative safety of their gated communities, of course). Just like the jackwagons who decided a Bank of America and a Starbucks were cool (and easy) targets in DC to vandalize.

You want a war, cupcakes? You won’t like the outcome. That’s a promise. We are better trained, better prepared, and better qualified to kick your hairy, unwashed, pussy hat-wearing asses than you and your mewling band of paintball buddies.

Shut up and sit down before you hurt yourselves.




38 responses

  1. Of course, the funny part of various celebutards demanding that the military enact a coup is that they have spend how many years looking down on military members as either poor schnooks suckered into service because they just couldn’t get into a good college, as baby-killing murder machines, or PTSD-suffering basket cases.

    As near as I can see from this distance from my own service – the active-duty ranks trend conservative and/or libertarian … and yes, know all about the matter of following legal orders.

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  2. I watched from a distance the selection of the new pistol for our armed forces. Although it is indeed a good thing for Sig USA, it doesn’t hold the same meaning that the selection of the Beretta did. Beretta wanted a contract, we wanted cruise missiles in Italy. I don’t even pretend to know anything about the UCMJ, but what I have heard of it I believe that obeying an unlawful order is as bad as disobeying a lawful one. And most all those who have taken the oath to defend our constitution that I know were deadly serious about it. That anyone, be they some political commentator or a washed up commediene with an inflated sense of self would encourage a military coup, is beyond not only despicable, but borders on treason. That the media gives a platform to such ideas as this, while suppressing those that do not fit their agenda, tells more about the whole left and the way that they rally around the party. That the left is continuing to shout down any person who dares to dissent with their message, with violence as evidenced most recently by the UC Berkley events, is telling. They will find out that when they escalate the violence from defenseless college students, and mild mannered women who dare to support either Trump or just a traditional role that the left finds offensive, and begin to start to attack, like Nicki said, those of us who are more prepared to defend ourselves and our freedom, that when you step on a snake, it tends to strike. I do have faith in our country, and it’s people. It is only that I fear that we may have to make an example of some of those who are trying to bring about violence and military revolt. If that does happen, they have only themselves to blame, for they bring it on themselves when they attack others first. I think that the old saw is appropriate, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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    1. Hear, hear.

      If they mess with me, they’d better pick a spot where I am momentarily (nearly) defenseless because of stupid no gun/no weapons rules. (NB: If you see me in public or on my own property, or my friends’ property, I’m almost certainly armed.)

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  3. I heartily concur with your thoughts on your main subject, and as enormous proponent of naps, I concur there most especially. I’m not the first to remark that when I was single digit midget, I hated naps, and now on the downside of 50, can’t live without ’em.


  4. Welcome back. Missing your news!


  5. I doubt the agitators/rioters/protester realize they violate federal laws with their sedition. Until a few of those that break that law are charged, most won’t realize the seriousness of promoting the overthrow of the government.

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  6. Nicki… there are days I wake up and think… fuck it. Just go ahead and start the Civil War, Lefties. If they are really this stupid, it’ll be a short war.

    They have no self awareness whatsoever. They think Trump is a fascist, and so they behave like brownshirts to oppose him, and anyone remotely right-of-center. I mean, they rioted,vandalized, and assaulted an gay Jew’s speaking event, and they have the utter, unmitigated gall to call US the Nazis.

    They can fuck themselves sideways with a fossilized log from a sewage treatment plant.

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  7. I’m scared of the counter reaction. You can only scream and break stuff for so long until a grown up snaps. Unlike a parent who paddles a child or sends them to time out these people are liable to inflict serious injury of the through and through kind.

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  8. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard | Reply

    I’ve noticed for some time that Liberals don’t seem to understand that their actions can have unintended consequences.

    They call others haters, evil, etc but don’t imagine that those others will come to hate them and be willing to take action against them.

    For example, they call gun-owners “dangerous lunatics” but don’t expect those “dangerous lunatics” to start shooting them. 😦

    I’d call them “idiots” but that would be an insult to idiots. 👿

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  9. They would hurt themselves sitting down. Not to mention falling flat on their faces trying to be propped up by their beliefs.


  10. Well fuck. I say let’s get this show on the road before I’m too old to enjoy the festivities. I think if some asshole has a bottle of gas and a match, free fire target. Fuck rubber bullets. Give them the real thing and let their parents cry because their snowflake was a idiot. They are organized and ready to fight, so let’s accommodate them. Let’s get it done, it’s about nap time.

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  11. Last Wednesday, well ahead of those riots at Berserkley, I added this article over at This Ain’t Hell.
    The ‘mood’, for want of a better word, is slowly but surely moving to the right, the same as the pendulum on my grandfather’s mantelpiece clock. It isn’t just here. It’s also in Europe.
    The children in adult bodies creating the kind of damage the masked bravos inflicted on Washington, DC and yesterday on the Berkley campus have not felt the consequences of what they are doing, nor do they believe right now that there ARE any consequences. Unfortunately for them, there are. All public universities and colleges, as opposed to private schools like my alma mater, get tax-generated funds from the government through grants. It also comes from state taxes, if there are any. When it includes research grants and fellowships, if the school can’t police its own student body any better than was done (none at all) yesterday, then cutting off funding seems justified to me.
    Someone I know did say that there were no arrests during that riot because the police were undermanned. I wonder how these hooligans would feel in Chicago in 1968 at the Democratic National Convention, when Mayor Daley gave the Chicago police that infamous ‘shoot to kill’ order.
    I think that these riots and the destructive behavior are having the effect of pissing off the viewing public, not the opposite which the skankazoid crapweasels like Silverman are promoting. Mostly, I just try to stay off to the side and watch while they work themselves into a frenzy. Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll all have catastrophic brain farts.
    As the late John Lennon once said:
    You say you want a revolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    You tell me that it’s evolution
    Well, you know
    We all want to change the world
    But when you talk about destruction
    Don’t you know that you can count me out
    But if you want money for people with minds that hate
    All I can tell is brother you have to wait
    (from ‘Revolution’)

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  12. The Antifas in the black masks and black clothing aren’t your standard snowflake. They are violent, dedicated and organized. Considering that they’d probably be just as happy burning books as anything else, I find great irony in their name. Also, they have roots going back to the Stalinist Soviet Union in the 1930’s.


  13. Do these loons really want to force the government to do something? They won’t like the response. Back in the early 70s we conducted Garden Plot riot-control training. We used M-14s with bayonets attached, and the bayonet blades weren’t covered. CS gas is also good for dispersing a crowd in a hurry if the need be. No, rubber bullets weren’t in the inventory.


  14. So these “individuals” want the military to join the coup?
    Perhaps they should read this guy to see what the military things about their riots and general asshattery.

    Comes the revolution, it ain’t going to be all rainbows, unicorns and skittles.

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  15. The events at UC Berkeley feel like falling through the rabbit hole,. They were SO triggered by a Gay Jew speaking to a few hundred people that they rioted looted and burned an area dear to the hearts of Conservatives LOL and let the public see them for what they really are (do they WANT Trump to have two terms) Instead of speaking to a few hundred and maybe being seen by a few thousand on youtube Milo got to speak to Millions on National TV AND pre-sales for his book on Amazon? Up Thirteen THOUSAND Percent!!!!! You CANNOT by a Merchandising Campaign like that EVER,. They made Milo a Fortune,

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  16. Welcome back!

    I will have you know that it took me four hours to get through this article. I had to go read the original article you cited. That required looking some things up to get proper perspective. This led to what I call Wiki Wandering.

    Somehow, I finally landed on Spiro Agnew. Spiro Agnew!

    Anyway, great piece and I learned a lot from my wandering. I don’t like the scent in the wind the last couple of months. Don’t like it at all. I think my biggest fear is these leftist whack jobs will either hurt themselves attempting an armed insurrection or one of the richer idiots will start hiring mercenaries. Either way it’s going to leave a lot of blood on the ground. I’d really rather not see that.

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  17. I won’t say where, but for a while I lived in a place with an ongoing active communist rebel movement. These fucking people have no clue what they’re asking for. The countryside fell to basic thuggery, with armed brigands collecting “revolutionary taxes” from dirt poor farmers and punishing those who weren’t “generous” enough. The Army really wasn’t any better. I went to sleep most nights to the sounds of scattered infantry combat in the mountains. Women, crops, and livestock, were taken by whomever had the guns.

    Civil war isn’t a fucking game. It’s not the shoot-em-up fantasy that the more rabid part of the right seem to fantasize about, nor is it the epic tide of justice sweeping from sea to shining sea that the celebutards are promoting. It’s brutal and ugly. I will never forget walking into the home of an elderly friend for an agreed upon lunch to find his decapitated corpse on the floor where he’d been left after receiving his punishment for being niggardly with his revolutionary taxes. As he had no family left I dressed his body for burial and saw to his funeral arrangements. This tough old bastard had fought the Japanese as a partisan rebel during WWII, and he fell to the knife of some pinko scum for not giving up enough rice. The three percenter morons talk a lot about how little of the population actually needs to fight. The whole population pays the price of insurgency and rebellion be it righteous or not.

    There are things worth fighting and dying for. There are things worth possibly undermining the whole underpinnings of your society for. There are causes that are worth pledging our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Violent revolution is not something to be undertaken lightly and having seen the results of low level conflict in a sparsely populated area, I can only imagine the carnage that would engulf our cities. People who lightly throw around calls for civil war greatly damage my calm. No matter who wins, civil wars are A VERY BAD THING and should be the option of final recourse, when there is no other option. Hopefully those who stupidly attempt to incite it will get the worst of it when they get their wish.

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    1. Brian, This has to be the most thoughtful, logical and intelligent take on the whole mindset on both sides of what is going on in our country right now that I have read in a long time. I have never myself experienced war, reading someone else’s experience or hearing stories from a trusted friend or relative is not the same. But I do understand the absolute horror that would befall the nation were we to disintegrate into civil war. Not only would we have to consider that devastation done by our own societal breakdown, but in this, the 21st century, we no longer live in an isolated world, where we can simply go about our business and the other nations watch and wait until we are sorted out, and then continue on as if nothing had happened. There would be a dozen or more countries lined up ready to try and take advantage of our distraction in one way or another, either militarily, or financially, or in some other, unknown and unseen way. Like you said, no matter the result, it would either be Armageddon or Apocalypse for the country, in many ways. I don’t think that I am being too pessimistic.

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  18. Having come from a country where we’ve had TWO peaceful civil uprisings against a President (different ones; one a dictator, the other crazy corrupt), I don’t think the easily melted snowflakes understand how this shit works. (Full disclosure: I marched at EDSA II; and I would have voted for the president I ousted to keep Aquino out of the Palace, in retrospect. THAT BAD.)

    I’ve seen the effects of ‘ongoing, constant rebellion’ and let me tell you, it’s no different from having a bandit warlord who would come in to the villages, eat the food, rape the women, threatening to kill whoever showed a smidgen of defiance if not outright killing the person pour encourager les autres and then moving on to the next village to pillage, calling it ‘people’s support for the Revolution’ as if they had a CHOICE in the matter. Communist ‘ New People’s Army’ no longer has any difference from the Islamic bandits who cloak themselves as ‘fighting against a Catholic dominant government’ – they trade arms with each other and are pretty much terrorists from the get go.

    These idiots imagine that they’ll be fine; that it’ll be no different from a video game, that somehow they’ll get the Military and Police to side WITH THEM (WHY?! They’ve been screaming for police to get shot and the military to die in a fire and have been sneering at them for decades! Highlights their delusional state.)

    I expect that they think they’ll have the upper hand; the rest of us paying attention note that they are isolated to a few areas. What is far likelier to happen is, they start their ‘revolution’ in their back yards, and the rest of America is likely to just put the National Guard around them to make sure the madness doesn’t escape and perhaps help the people who would LIKE to get the hell out – if they haven’t done it already.

    Then wait for surrender. They’re mostly in the cities. The majority of the snowflakes, for all that they’re ‘eco-conscious/wise’ don’t have any clue of a huge majority of the groundwork that keeps their comfort and city-life functioning. Sure they can ‘plant revolutionary gardens’ if they like – but let’s be honest they wouldn’t really know how to keep those plants alive beyond a single early harvest.

    We already know what happens when they try to ‘revolt’ – Occupy Wall Street is what happens. They get… mugged, beaten and raped, and then go running to the police that they spit on, assault and shit on. Literally. Their idea of revolting is proving to the rest of the world how disgusting they are.

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    1. Tom Kratman takes apart the whole “They want a military coup/civil war/martial law” idea even more. I’m sharing ‘coz I’m giggling so much at the simply stated, pithy truth of it all.

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    2. Yes yes yes a thousand times yes!

      My comment preceding yours was from Sorsogon province in 2002 and 2003.

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      1. I had a feeling it was. I remembered the NPA were hugely active during the early 2k. This was one of the major reasons I refused to bring my Australian (then) boyfriend (now spouse) to my mother’s home province in Isabella.

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      2. Also, if anyone wants an object example of what it’s like to have a weak military, take a look at the Philippines. The Philippines has had an incredibly badly supported military, because after Marcos, the general sentiment has been ‘military bad’ – so as a result, the government hasn’t been able to adequately protect the people, even when the current President did not have a problem or active dislike for the military branch, because the Senate and Congress would resist it greatly.

        And it would all cascade back to the government. The general view of the government outside of Manila is “They national government does not care, nor has power outside of Manila” and thus, they don’t particularly care about the Presidency; they pay attention to their governors. There is a very good reason why the Marcoses have held power in their home province for so long, and it has nothing to do with terror – they look after their people. (And, contrary to popular belief, they are very much pro-Filipino.

        Similarly, despite the rabid media attempts, as well as a concentrated effort by the Aquino administration to destroy Macapagal-Arroyo, she’s regularly voted in – because she looks after the interests of Pampanga, and has been working towards greater stability and improvements on infrastructure.

        And if y’all want to see what it is really like to have a vindictive idiot of a president, just look at how non-factor the Philippines became under the Aquino son. So many of us regretted voting for Aquino – to the point that it was a lament I heard that “We should have voted for Estrada. We knew he was corrupt, and we survived that, but at least he loves the Philippines.”

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  19. Nicki: I’m somewhat amazed at the speed at which these barking moonbats have made people such as you stand with Trump on ANY issue. I didn’t think that was possible let alone to happen so quickly. Truly they’re miracle workers. ( I hesitate to use the word “work” and them in the same sentence, but…)
    In the interest of full disclosure I didn’t want Trump (Cruz was infinitely better) but I’m so ticked off at the media ripping him in ways that they would never do to Elephant Ears that I find myself (reluctantly) supporting him on a lot of issues.

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    1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard | Reply

      The News Media’s “problem” with Trump is that he’s not reacting as they think he should.

      Instead of “stopping what he’s doing” to respond to them, he keeps on going with “what he wants to say and what he wants to do”.

      If Trump reacted as they think he should, he’d still be talking about the “Russian” hacking and not getting anything done.

      Note, I only voted for Trump because I wanted to vote for somebody that had a chance to beat Hillary.

      Of course, since I live in Illinois, the dead vote got Illinois going to Hillary. 😉

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    2. Congratulations, very wise from both you and Chazz. It’s unprecedented the press lambasting of Trump, and the insane reaction by certain sectors of the American society to his victorious presidential campaign as well. That’s an indication that the century-long mire the US is swamped into is going to be desilted.


    3. Chazz, you mistake my objectivity for blind support for Trump. I will always support him when he’s done well, and I will always criticize him when he doesn’t. Advocating armed revolt when he’s done nothing out of the ordinary yet is ridiculous. That does not mean I blindly support him on “ANY” issue, as you claim.

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      1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard | Reply


        Of course, the “fun-and-games” about the News Media IMO (especially now) is that they’ve been crying wolf so much if they accurately reported something Bad that Trump had done, there will be plenty of people who would not believe them.

        Slightly off-topic but with all this talk about “Fake News” I got to thinking about “Rathergate” where Dan Rather fell for a con job. 👿


      2. Nicki if you don’t believe anything else I’ve said or ever will say, believe this: I don’t think you have or will ever “blindly” support Trump. LOL Maybe I worded it poorly. It’s just that you despise Trump sooooo much that I didn’t think you could find it in yourself to even tepidly defend anything about him, even indirectly.
        FYI, I have a cousin thru marriage who is from Germany and is a staunch conservative. He hates Trump even worse than he hated Obama which I thought was impossible. When asked why, he just keeps repeating (with a German accent) “because he’s an idiot” . Naturally I always find some way to praise Trump to someone else just barely loud enough for him to hear and go into a rage. Yes, I’m a prick.

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        1. Well, I’m not sure about the word “despise.” It’s quite a strong word. I have my concerns about him. REAL concerns. But at the same time, I’m thrilled with some of the nominations, including Gorsuch, Gen. Kelly, Gen. Mattis, and the DCIA. I do think he’s ignorant on a lot of issues – foreign policy and macroeconomic policy being the biggest – and that worries me. A LOT!!! But at the same time, I absolutely don’t think he’s a racist/misogynist/whateverist. I think he’s very injudicious with his words, and he thinks you can run a country the way you run a company, which is just not the case.

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    4. Yes, Chazz, one of Trump’s herculean labors is going to be “to drain the swamp” Washington has been mire into for long!


  20. And apparently the Left is fine with bullying universities into ignoring the due process rights of students accused of a serious crime.

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  21. I honestly don’t know what to make of it. Do these idiots REALLY WANT a civil war? Do they REALLY think the military will be on their side?

    I think that lefties have been living in an echo chamber – academia, the media, most think tanks, most civil sevants – for so long that they really don’t know what reality is. They seem to think that Trump, the GOP control of the Congress and most State governments is some sort of aberation or cheat, that the People and the cops and the military are REALLY on their side.

    If they really (God forbid) want to go all Ft. Sumter, it’ll be ugly for everybody, but especially for them.

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    1. You see, that’s the problem. They don’t do the thing described by the word you used four times in your comment…think. They merely react.

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    2. Not happening, not how after (so I was just told) Trump brushed off the media to meet that Marine’s body at the airport. Say what you will about that man, he’s proving to the Military at the very least, that he’s supportive of THEM – something that the Obama administration hasn’t shown – ever.

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    3. Another symptom: When the electoral votes were formally cast in the state capitols, in at least one place (Wisconsin if memory serves) the left protested, calling on the electors to “vote their conscience.”

      It never occurred to these idiots that that is precisely what those electors were doing. Many on the Left simply cannot conceive of sincere disagreement with them.

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  22. […] Moving on, Dorman engages in some interesting projection when it comes to students carrying firearms. As a matter of fact, he essentially denigrates and demeans anyone in his class who may choose to carry a tool of self defense as someone apt to use their firearm in anger, someone untrained, and someone not in control of their temper. Further, he degrades adults who choose to exercise their rights as people intolerant of others views, when numerous events over the past few years have shown exactly the opposite to be true. Remember Yale? Remember Mizzou? Remember TrigglyPuff? Remember Berkeley? […]


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