The JV Team Strikes Again

UPDATE: Death toll is at 50 now. Nauseating. 

There was a mass shooting in Orlando, Florida early this morning/late last night. Details are a bit sketchy, because it’s still early, but the suspect walked into a gay nightclub and killed at least 20 people before being ventilated by law enforcement. 

This is awful. Yet again an extremist psycho wielding a rifle and a handgun walked into an establishment filled with innocent victims and proceeded to murder them in cold blood!

My thoughts are with the victims and their families today. 

How many of you thought “Oh! Some Christian anti-gay gun nut on a rampage”?

Apparently not. 

The FBI is looking at the perp’s Islamic extremist leanings. 

When asked if the FBI suspected the gunman might have had inclinations toward militant Islam, including a possible sympathy with Islamic State, Ronald Hopper, an assistant FBI agent in charge, told reporters: “We do have suggestions that the individual may have leanings toward that particular ideology. But right now we can’t say definitively.”

Someone at Weasel Zippers also pulled voter data. 

Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat. 


The usual slew of suspects immediately started screaming about gun control. Actress Kirstie Alley immediately took to Twitter to advocate for a ban of “automatic assault rifles,” and then was gently corrected by myself and a number of others after admitting she “misspoke.”


So according to what we know so far, the terrorist was an Islamic State sympathizer and a Democrat. 

But damn the NRA, and damn those Christian, gun-clinging Tea Party Republicans! 

43 responses

  1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    I’ll admit that my first thought was “mass shooting at a gay bar, of course they’ll call it terrorism”.😦

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  2. The shooter may be Islamic, but Christians are wasting no time celebrating the death of those homos. Some of the pro-Christian posts I’ve seen on FB and Twitter are appalling, yet not surprising.

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    1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      Why don’t I believe you?

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      1. Posted on Facebook. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a screen grab of it: “They wanted this cake, now they will have it shoved down their throats. Looks like the fags will either get back in the closet or die. Win win either way.”

        Here’s another, from Twitter. The shitstain deleted the post, but someone managed to get a screen grab of it: http://i.imgur.com/fObmdsP.jpg

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        1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Remember that gay pastor who faked the anti-gay cake?

          Liberals and Radical Gays want to believe that Conservative Christians are the Real Enemy not Muslims.

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        2. “Remember that gay pastor who faked the anti-gay cake?”
          You don’t get to call me out on that one. I called it fake right here on this very blog. In fact, many in the LGBT community called it fake. Feel free to look it up if you wish.

          Oh, and here’s what Dan Patrick, the very Christian Lt. Governor of Texas, had to say about the Orlando shooting. I should point out that Lt. Governor Patrick’s campaign was based heavily on anti-LGBT sentiment.

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        3. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          Dear Sir,

          You have convinced me…

          That you want to hate Christians more than you want to hate Muslims.

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        4. If you seriously think I love/support/defend the religion of rape, pedophilia, and torture (and I’m not talking about the Catholic church this time), then you are gravely mistaken. Fundamentally, there is no difference between Islam and Christianity.

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        5. @Drak,

          Why does wanting to hate anti-gay bigotry by professed Christians necessarily exclude hating it from Muslims as well?

          Your “logic” is faulty, and betrays that you are more butthurt over a perceived attack on the reputation of Christianity than anything else (rather than immediately condemn the bigots, you instead, as your first priority, rise to defend Christianity). Indeed people who get more upset with the attack on their religion than the justice of the complaints reminds me of a lot of practitioners of another faith, one starting in “Is” and ending in “slam.”

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        6. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          When a Muslim has just finished killing Gays is IMO not the time to bring up “so-called” anti-gay shit done by Christians.

          It strikes me as a “just change the subject from gay-hating Muslims to gay-hating Christians” tactic.

          Too many shit-heads have ignored anti-gay Muslims when talking about “those evil Christians who hate gays” for me to see that person’s words in any other way.

          When was the last time a Christian entered a gay bar and started shooting?

          On the other hand, some idiots don’t see the difference between “shooting up a gay bar” and “saying something anti-gay”.

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        7. OK, fair enough. The best that can be said about this was

          Still, it’s incumbent on us all to realize the anti-gay bigotry (to the point of wishing them dead, even if one doesn’t act on that wish) crosses religious lines, instead of simply denying that, as you did when this started. Your response came across to me as “how dare someone insult Christianity!” Honestly, what’s your priority here? Doing something about the fact that people are largely defenseless from mass shooters (regardless of their motivation), or making sure no one ever says bad things about Christianity?

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        8. Whoops. Incomplete sentence.

          “OK, fair enough. The best that can be said about this was” should have continued “his timing was extremely poor.”

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        9. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          “Poor timing”?

          Nope, his statement fits into the Old “Don’t Talk About Muslim Hatred Of Gays, Only Talk About Christian Hatred Of Gays” Theme.

          On the other hand, I’ve said all that I’m going to say on this subject.

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        10. Probably just as well, since this all started with someone making an assertion, you stating it was unbelievable, then upon being shown incontrovertible evidence, shifting to “waaah, he’s making fun of my weligion!” AND continuing to refer to his original complaint as “co-called.”

          When you have something useful to add…such as, just maybe, actually acknowledging that he’s right that there are Christians out there who want gays dead, then maybe we could continue.

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        11. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

          If Christians wanted Gays dead, there would be more killings of Gays.

          Keep this up and I’ll consider you a bigot.

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        12. Well, I already know you’re a no-integrity intellectual coward.

          When you lose an argument you pull the “bigotry” card. If him picking on Christianity after a Muslim attack was your real issue with what Vic wrote in the first place, you would have said it up front instead of trying to argue against his statement, then pulling the card at the exact instant you lost the original argument. That was when, oh suddenly, the real problem was what he was prioritizing.

          And just as an aside, wishing someone were dead is not the same as being willing to do it yourself. Pointing out that no Christian has actually taken actions on that wish doesn’t in any way establish that the wish doesn’t exist. So…you still haven’t proved Vic wrong; all you’ve done is pule about his choice of topic.

          I may be a bigot, sir (I deny it; I’ve nowhere claimed that Christians are worse than Muslims, much as you might wish to put that into my mouth or Vic’s), but you are intellectually dishonest and continue to display it, by dodging the fact that you LOST your argument with Vic. Go ahead and bring up side issues, just don’t admit it!

          On second thought, maybe I’m just bigoted against the intellectually dishonest.

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  3. Christopher M. Chupik

    I wonder if they’re acknowledging the terrorism angle so early so they can tie gun-control to national security. Wouldn’t put anything past the current administration.

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    1. It’s an interesting thought, but I doubt that.

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      1. Christopher M. Chupik

        Hope you’re right.

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        1. There are a ton of policy issues involved with that. A bit too much, I think. I hope I’m right.

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  4. The usual suspects on Facebook are all pointing to the Republicans and asking how long they will keep taking NRA money. Then some of them go on to paint it as having been a white male of intolerant Christian beliefs. After all that, they say not to disagree with them (paraphrased) or they will block you. Tolerance and waiting for facts at its best.

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    1. Kind of like Kirstie Alley. She hasn’t responded. Unsurprisingly.

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      1. Yep. Same voices, same agenda, same lack of facts to back up their cries of outrage.

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  5. Must have been a simple hate crime. I’m sure the Religion of Peace had nothing to do with it.

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  6. I’m gay, and a conservative. A fact which melts craniums on both sides of the political spectrum. In other words, I think. I do not accept the premise that I must be a liberal twatwaffle just because I am gay. I am also not naive enough to believe that this is a ‘lifestyle choice’ that so many equally twatwaffle conservatives try to tell me it is. Trust me, I tried for 30 years to try to not be gay. But that’s not the point of my response.

    I was villified by those on the left for daring to speak the truth about the muslim immigrants, and told ‘but they’re not all radicals’. Yes dear faggots, I know this, those aren’t the ones I’m speaking of. I’m speaking of the ones who are the problem and those are the ones who will not hesitate to put a bullet in your ass and it won’t be nearly as pleasant as a dick in your ass. So go ahead, support them, but don’t come crying to me when they do. I fucking told you so. No, I have little sympathy, except for the families of those who were killed.

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    1. A true conservative would not care what you do in your bedroom, as long as it doesn’t hurt him or his family, and he doesn’t have to subsidize it.

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  7. Ghost Rider 6

    I watched the President’s “statement” regarding the Orlando massacre. Since he can’t spin it as “workplace violence” this time, he seems to be trying to set it up as simply a “hate crime” while ignoring any ideological connection. And oh yeah, the real problem is that “it’s too easy to get a gun in this country”.

    Un-fucking-believable.

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  8. Most recent info is that ISIS has claimed ‘credit’ for this slaughter.

    Also, the shooter invoked the names of the Tsarnaev brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon. Remember that?

    Robert Pape, an analyst at the U of Chicago, told reporters on the evening news that ISIS started a wave of this last fall with its attack in Turkey, downing a Russian airliner, then Paris followed by Belgium, followed by San Bernardino and now Florida. He said the ‘lone wolf’ attackers are harder to track and connect to terrorism than small groups, but that this is definitely a terrorist attack. I did read a brief article that ISIS had released a list of planned attacks a few months ago.

    While some are insisting that this was an attack on gays at a gay bar, it is more likely that this slimeball (may he rot in a sewer of his own shit) chose that club because he knew the layout, knew that it was popular, and knew that there would probably be a big party going on because it’s Pride Fest in Orlando. Basically, he had the ideal set-up for killing as many people as possible because it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

    So far, 50 died in the shooting, and 53 are wounded, so let’s try to at least be supportive of THEM, since some of the wounded are in critical condition. They were Americans, first and foremost, and that is the REAL reason that piece of MERS-infest camel feces chose them.

    Might be a good idea to take a Red Cross first aid class, just in case you need it some day. Let’s hope that never happens.

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    1. Sara, a Red Cross class won’t be of much help in this sort of situation. The ability to immobilize a broken bone isn’t going to be much help when your faced with someone who is bleeding to death because they’ve had a limb explosively amputated or they have a sucking chest wound. You need classes in trauma treatment. A quick Google returned this one from Critical Defense Group (http://www.criticaldefensegroup.com/courses/medical-bug-out/) and this one from T2 Training (http://t2training.com/trauma/tccc/) just as examples. There are plenty of others out there, quality varies as does price, get the best you can afford.

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      1. I get your point, that trauma medics do far more than a red cross class teaches, BUT, based on the Army medic MOS training I went through in 1972 (91A then, know I don’t know) in that kind of situation, you run a QUICK triage;(deaders ignore or morphine to stop em from screaming;ignore minor wounds). Then stop the bleeding of the spurters (ignore the drippers for a bit); Establish an airway; treat for shock; evacuate. they even teach that in basic. So yeah, that can be taught quickly. If you aren’t medevacced in an hour some are going to die.

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      2. Thanks for the info. I will look into that. I do not think we need to be in a siege mentality, but having seen a couple of episodes of overloaded nightclub patrons panicking because someone sprayed someone else with pepper spray and people suffocated or suffered broken bones in their attempts to get free, I need something. Thanks for the tip.

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  9. I’m hoping this doesn’t come across wrong, but:
    How does a body count this high (50 dead, 53 wounded, the last time I checked) happen with one shooter? I know there was a three hour hostage situation, but if he was killing people the whole time, don’t the cops rush the place earlier?

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    1. As I understand it, a lot of times they treat it as a hostage situation (where the strategy is to wait the guy out and wear him down psychologically) rather than a massacre in progress.

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    2. According to news reports, he was taking hostages, putting them into groups and then shooting them. Sitting ducks.

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  10. On the “plus” side, at least some of the main-yellow-stream media has had to admit this is an act by a Muslim nutter. That’s still one step shy of admitting we have a problem with orchestrated terrorism in this country, but I’ll count it as progress.

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    1. Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      Nope SteveInCO, it’s the fault of the Christian Right and the GOP according to the ACLU.

      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-lawyers-blame-christian-right-gop-for-orlando-terrorist-attack/article/2593679#.V13VkELZxuc.twitter

      Call me an “intellectual coward” do you, well what do you call the ACLU?

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      1. I call them worthless and cowardly sacks of shit, when they behave like this. Why do you seem to expect otherwise?

        To be clear, THIS ATTACK and many others were clearly not the fault of Christians, and I never maintained that they were. Neither did Vic. He merely maintained (and proved) that some Christians celebrated afterwards. You got butthurt when he proved it and played the how-dare-you-criticize-Christians card THE INSTANT you lost. Classic attempt to deflect attention from your loss. I thought that was an appalling display of cowardice (as well as simple refusal to admit you’ve been shown wrong).

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  11. Stumbled across this comment on a popular liberal Democratic forum. I find it extremely amusing that ten years ago they were screeching that Booooooooosh was gonna round up all the libruls and put them in camps… and now we get this…

    “It’s going to encourage some of us, like me, to make the claim that there is no real difference between Christian conservatives and Islamic conservatives. The problem, the disease, is conservatism itself.

    It’s time to treat conservatism as what it really is: a mental disorder which has no place in politics or public service. It’s time to treat our stupid, frightened, insane conservative friends as people in need of treatment. It’s time to treat each one of them as an intellectually disabled time-bomb who needs to be identified, approached, and psychologically defused, rather than frightened and exploited for political and monetary gain.

    It’s not going to happen tomorrow, but the societies that survive the 21st Centuries are all going to have to come to terms with the fact that the small minded racists, homophobes, and misogynists among us, the fascists who long for an idealized past which never existed, they are all people whose minds have been poisoned with hate, and the hatred is a warning sign of the violence to come.

    It is time to treat lack of tolerance as a mental illness which, until CURED, should limit the civic and political choices an individual can make. And yes, maybe being declared a conservative will limit one’s access to guns, too.”

    The stunning intellect behind this post calls itself “sofa king.” I’m just so very, very amused that it’s screeching that conservatives should, presumably, be rounded up and socked away in institutions until the electroshock therapy “cures” them of their conservative tendencies.

    And, no doubt, it will then turn around and pat itself on the back for being “compassionate.” It will no doubt laud itself for its commitment to liberty and justice. It considers itself one of the “good guys.”

    You just can’t make this stuff up.

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    1. Not surprised that these assholes are fascists in the very least. To be fair, I’m seeing a whole lot of conservatives crowing about deporting all Muslims too – even those born here who mean no one any harm. People fucking suck. I’m so done with everyone!

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      1. What I find disheartening, but not shocking, is that no one else on Democratic Underground, which has thousands of users, has spoken up in response to that fascist nonsense.

        Sure, no one’s chimed in and cheered along, but I was hoping that someone at least would say “So… you’re proposing being a fascist tyrant and imprisoning people for having the temerity to disagree with you politically?” I was hoping someone would point out how hideously wrongeheaded and backwards such a suggestion is, and how it would tear the nation apart and probably result in civil war, were an attempt to be made to follow through.

        But no. Silence gives consent, my father used to say, so I can only assume that either most of the readers concur with this “thinking” or are too cowardly and afraid of going against the groupthink to point out how awful this suggestion is.

        And yes, a lot of conservatives are howling about Muslims, but the fact is that you and I and other sane conservatives are pointing out how backwards that thinking is. That doesn’t seem to be the case across the aisle, at least in this instance.

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    2. It’s striking that this dickhead equates “conservatism” with, basically, bigotry. He/she/it leaves out such things as a belief in limited government, peoples’ individual rights (as opposed to collective ones), people’s responsibility for their own actions (deserving reward or punishment) and so forth.

      OK, so let’s bite, and decide to go after bigotry like this dickhead suggests (only please stop conflating it with conservatism). I’ve known plenty of bigoted “liberals,” and oftentimes it’s even bigotry against the general categories they claim to champion. (Few want to live near Blacks.) I’d not be surprised if Dickhead is one of them.

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