Screw your party! (With a teeny, tiny, schadenfreudy update)

UPDATE: Enjoy your “non-establishment,” oh-so “conservative” nominee, Trumpanzees! Tell me again how he’s better than Hillary!

Donald Trump said he’d consider vetting John Kasich for the vice presidential nomination just hours before the Ohio governor is to announce his decision to end his 2016 presidential bid.

“I would be interested in vetting John,” the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said Wednesday on CNN when asked about Kasich’s decision to drop out.

Probably a thanks and an attaboy for sticking around just long enough to assfuck Trump’s biggest challenger.

And if that schadenfreude wasn’t enough…

In the past, Donald Trump has said that the American wages are too high and repeatedly expressed the concern that raising the minimum wage would undermine American competitiveness in the global economy. But less than a day after securing the status of presumptive Republican presidential nominee, he said he’d consider making it higher.

As the New York Times noted, the billionaire showman told Wolf Blitzer on CNN Wednesday that he’s “open to doing something with” the minimum wage. Trump also described himself as “very different from most Republicans” on the issue.


Ever since the Hairy Hemorrhoid™ became the presumptive GOP nominee for President, I’ve been seeing calls from the Republican Party to unite behind him. “The time to bicker is over,” they claim. “It’s time to unite behind our presumptive nominee, and defeat the real evil – Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.”

I’ve been thinking about these calls quite a bit and wondering why is it that people who just a week ago were condemning the Cheetorangutang as evil, not a real conservative, an ignorant manipulator who funded the very establishment they all hate so much, etc. are all of a sudden changing their tune and calling for all to unite behind the presumptive GOP nominee.

He hasn’t changed.

The answer seems easy to me: they want a Republican to win the White House. They don’t want the country to win. They don’t want their alleged “conservative values” to win. They really don’t give a flying rat’s ass about the establishment they profess to hate so much. They want Republicans to win. That’s all. Nothing more.

No, I’m not talking about you people who have examined the issue and have honestly decided that you would rather have Trump over Hillary because he claims he’ll be tough on the immigration issue, or because he claims he will protect the Second Amendment, or because *insert issue Trump claims to be conservative on, while Hillary proudly admits to being progressive on here*. I’m talking about those who dislike Trump, who believe he’s a douchebag, but who want a Republican to win no matter how odious the nominee happens to be.

I will tell you I’ve never voted along party lines. Ever.

The party – whether Democrat or Republican – is the vehicle by which candidates can deliver their message and voters can organize said messages into coherent platforms they either support or don’t.

At the same time, to me, the party is the lazy man’s preferred delivery mechanism.

“He’s a Republican? Great! I support the Republican Party platform, the party nominated him, so I’ll vote for him!” It saves the lazy and unmotivated the time and effort they would have spent doing actual research into the candidate and examining his ideas. I can’t tell you how many times I hear my Republican friends claim “I will vote for whoever the Republican is, because it’s better than having a Democrat in office.

The Democrats many times are even worse. They tend to line up behind the nominee, no matter who it is, as long as that nominee has the “D” behind his or her name. I can’t tell you how many times I hear my Democrat friends proudly proclaim that they’re voting straight party ticket!

flopping fishAs for the Republicans, it doesn’t seem to matter that you just might be voting an amoral, authoritarian, ignorant statist into office. It doesn’t matter that he’s demonstrated a lack of understanding about basic Constitutional principles, foreign policy, economics, and civil liberties. It doesn’t even matter that he’s flip-flopped so many times on issues that are supposedly important to Republicans, that fish out of water are jealous.

Why? They’ve said this numerous times already.

Because their goal is to win. Their goal is to beat Hillary Clinton. Their goal is not to advance liberty, constitutional principles, or any of the other values to which they give lip service in their party platform. Their goal is to win. and to do that, they will back even the most noxious, unprincipled, and ignorant statist.

And the GOP wants its voters to support him. Because their goal is not the good of the nation, but the good of the GOP.

Their goal is a Republican in the White House – even if it’s a Republican in name only, and even if it’s a “Republican” unscrupulous, unprofessional, and unethical as Donald Trump.

The Democrats are no better. I’m not giving them a pass here. Their goal is to elect a Democrat – even if it’s one under investigation for spilling classified data onto an unclassified server.

You don’t keep or make America great by electing a party. You elect the person who you believe best reflects the fundamental values of this nation. You elect people who will uphold this nation’s laws. You elect people who will protect your rights from infringement. You elect people who at least have a basic understanding of foreign policy, national security, and economics.

If you honestly believe that candidate is Donald Trump (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders (ditto), go ahead and vote your conscience.

But if you’re suddenly an initiate into the cut of Trump, because he’s claiming to be Republican today, and your goal is for Republicans to win, no matter how repugnant they are, you might want to re-examine your principles. If your goal is simply to ensure Republicans run this country, rather than electing the candidates accountable to the people, dedicated to the fundamental principles on which this nation was built, and committed to protecting your rights, you might want to take a long hard look in the mirror, because you are part of the problem.

I’m not saying this now, because the GOP is about to nominate the most loathsome, execrable candidate to run for President of this country and is foully congealing behind him, knowing and having admitted for months just what kind of detestable candidate he is. I’ve always said this, and every election year I’ve gotten excoriated by Republicans who thought they deserved my vote simply because they were Republicans.

And every year, I tell them the same thing: I will vote for the candidate I believe to be the most capable, dedicated to our rights and freedoms, intelligent, and honorable. That candidate may not be perfect, but no candidate for no job is. And make no mistake – the Presidency is a job – probably the toughest job in the land that shouldn’t be staffed by a barely qualified someone who just happens to have a “D” or an “R” behind his or her name.

The party is a vehicle, not a qualification.

So, screw your party!

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  1. ““He’s a Republican? Great! I support the Republican Party platform, the party nominated him, so I’ll vote for him!” It saves the lazy and unmotivated the time and effort they would have spent doing actual research into the candidate and examining his ideas. ”

    Agreed. I have liked both D and R candidates, and am sad we are not seeing more of a Sanders/Carson or Rubio split, where we actually had a quality choice to make. This election is depressing, and I don’t know what’s wrong with the public by propelling these two to the front of their parties.

    One of my friends probably put it best in saying that we should still vote our conscience (I guess it’s at least as good as sitting it out):

    “Seriously, friends. If you don’t want more of the same Washington nonsense (Clinton) and you don’t want…whatever it is that Trump “stands for” (today, ’cause it’ll be different tomorrow anyway), consider a legitimate alternative.”

    AND

    “I honestly feel like we’ve all been expertly manipulated into accepting Hillary Clinton as president. Well played, Illuminati. Well played.”

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    1. Oh, the illuminati comment is brilliant! LMAO!

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      1. But it really makes you wonder. If someone HAD wanted Republicans to seriously consider Hillary, they couldn’t have done a better job. 😦

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        1. Rob still believes Trump is a Democrat plant!

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        2. On a side note: is it just me or is “Reince Priebus” the most douchebag yuppie name ever? In an ’80s coming-of-age movie, this would be the uber-nemesis of the Jon Cryer/John Cusak/Eric Stoltz underdog protagonist. You know, the one with the fancy car and trust fund who’s competing with our plucky hero for the affections of “The Hot Babe.”

          “Wow! What a douchebag. Who the hell is that guy?”
          “Him? Oh, that’s Reince Priebus — his dad’s an investment banker. You know, the one who’s planning to buy the old ice cream shop and turn it into a parking garage. Unless you can defeat Reince in the downhill yachting karate tournament. Jan Hammer will provide the training montage.”
          “Let’s do this.”

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        3. Perfectly fitting, thank you!

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        4. Bob Cruze Jr, said it better than I ever could have. I have that exact seem impression of Mr. Prius, (er Priebus)
          And while I’m voting for Trump, I’ll not be surprised if Rob’s prediction comes true.

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  2. Trump winning the nomination may well destroy the Republican Party. The establishment Republicans are not different from Democrats, and may they all go to hell for their evil shenanigans.

    Who stands for the Constitution anymore? I wish John Stossel would run for office.

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    1. Totally agree. This is the end of the GOP. Sorry not sorry. Democrats up next.

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    2. IIRC he’s busy fighting a spectacularly nasty form of cancer. YEah I know all cancer is nasty but some IS nastier than the rest. Brain Cancer for one. Had that one kill a friend after a got a clean bill of health and was supposedly cancer free. It came back several month later and killed him…in about 2months

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      1. And I have had two friends with brain cancer who have been cancer free for years. You never know.

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  3. I have almost always voted GOP–not because I am ideologically “Republican” but because they’ve generally been the one party with not-impossible candidates that get me at least a little of what I want.

    But after the last few days, this being Nikki’s blog, I think I can get away with saying this:
    “Dear GOP, next time you fuck me, kiss me first.”

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    1. Or at least use some lube.

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  4. The GOP is a means to an end, not an end in itself. Donald Troll may surprise us all and pull an upset victory against Shillary, but even then — as somebody else put it, the choice between both is the choice between arsenic and cyanide.

    I don’t feel the Johnson for the simple reason that I am not a Libertarian — I am a Burkean conservative with small-l libertarian sympathies who is almost as uncomfortable with the “cannabitarians” as with the lib-left.

    Since Johnson has no chance of being elected in any case, I’ll just write in Zeeba the Syphilitic Camel😉

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    1. So, you DO want to interfere with people doing no harm, just less so than Repubs….

      Yeah, ummm… No.

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      1. No harm? tell that to the victims when your stoner buddies climb behind the wheel.

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        1. By that logic…ban alcohol. Someone MIGHT get behind the wheel, in fact it happens quite often.

          You appear to be assuming that people calling for the legalization of weed want to legalize driving while stoned. I can assure you, you can get pulled over and arrested in Colorado for driving under the influence of weed, just as you can for alcohol, and both are legal under state law.

          So with that utterly specious objection taken care of, what’s your ACTUAL problem with it?

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    2. Just another statist thug who thinks he has the right to tell others how to live their lives.

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      1. And this is why we libertarians can’t have nice things. Anything less than total purity is attacked.

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    3. ‘Tis nice to see my last point confirmed more “eloquently”.

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    4. Having looked at him and talked to friends in New Mexico who were there while he was govnah…He’s a valid and palatable option. Either that or Cthulu is gettin written in because after all…if you’re gonna vote for evil…why for for the pissants of evils?

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  5. Given that Fox News is as of this moment pushing the story that Trump might announce cabinet picks… a fun game to play (and distracting from the train wreck we are actually watching) would be making either “ideal” or “horrible” suggestions. There are plenty of people who are good on one issue in particular even if they suck at most of the others.

    On the ideal side, picture Scott Walker for Secretary of Labor….Christie for Secretary of Education (the teachers’ unions would love that). Bolton for Secretary of State. Hmmm, there are a few possibilities for Attorney General. Ted Nugent for director of the ATFE, anyone?

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  6. Since there is presidential choice i like, and no viable third party, i guess i’m gonna have to hope a good vice president will – what’s the word- accede to the office.

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  7. “Cheetorangutang”….

    Ponginae everywhere just put down their joints to give you a double-fisted middle-finger salute and a “What the fuck, girl, he ain’t one of US…!”

    8>)

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    1. P.S. No ‘g’ on the end….. ;>)

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    2. LMAO!!!!! WTF! No one wants to claim that fucker! I had an offended weasel a few days ago!

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      1. But seriously, I can’t stop laughing at this…. Well played, madam!

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  8. Trump is running, saying he is beholden to no one. A lot of Middle Americans seem to be saying “I’m nobody — so he’ll be beholden to me.” The truth is, he isn’t beholden to anyone and everyone, so those nobodies are out of luck.

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  9. It’s so much easier to be a democrat. If you’re the candidate, nobody cares if you’re honest, intelligent, likable, or any of that; they will line up behind you as long as you promise to keep the free stuff coming. Voters from all walks of life will coalesce to get you elected; convicted fellons, union members, welfare moms, illegal immigration supporters,pro drug hippies, college kids who don’t want to repay their loans, and the vast assortment of ignorant folks who have never bothered to learn about the affects of socialism on societies. Conservatives have a much tougher row to hoe; folks will nitpick you to death about not being the right religion, or not being Reagan, or the way you speak or look or being too rich or too poor or even not being conservative enough!
    And the last 2 elections this caused folks to stay home like little pouty babies instead of exercising their right to vote for the best (or least worst) candidate and we got 8 years of an America hating, socialist muslim sympathizer, instead of someone who probably shared most of our values.
    Rob may well be right, and Trump is a democrat plant. I don’t know what kind of president he will be. But Hillary we do know. And as nauseous as it will make me, I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for the least worst.

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    1. Well, apparently it’s pretty easy to be a Republican this year as well. They don’t care if you’re honest, intelligent, or likeable. Trump has demonstrated he’s not any of those things, and yet, the GOP will line up behind him anyway like good goosestepping little fascists.

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      1. Okay Nicki, I got it. You don’t like Trump. Me neither, so we agree. Great. I’m glad that we both had our big snit. I got it out of my system. Now, back to real life.

        So who do you suggest that we vote for? Because unless it is Shillary, whoever it is they won’t win. Split the other party vote and they will lose the election. It is a time-honored technique and it works 100% of the time.

        I’m just positive that if we all vote for the same loser or lots of different losers the Republican Party will learn a lot from that. Since the party will have learned so much, they will do what we all want next year. Sure, that seems highly probable.

        Working from little information, I’m going to ask a legal question. Suppose that we all of us write in and vote for X – any X, for the sake of argument, say Matt Drudge. Is it possible for X to win if they are not officially on the ballot? I’m pretty sure that the process doesn’t allow or account for a big write-in vote so even if X wins the popular vote by a landslide, the electoral college is going to pick a candidate from the blessed list.

        If Donald is the candidate and if we, that is all of us, do not vote for Donald then we are, in effect, voting for Hillary because failing to elect Donald means that the Republican party will be split and Hillary will be elected. Deal with it. We have a fucked up party and a process that works in a specific way and we cannot fix them in our favor before November.

        So we don’t vote for Trump and Hillary gets elected. Do you think that the Republican party and the overall process will be more favorable in 4 years? I don’t. I think that the situation will be worse. Suppose that we all hold our nose and vote for Donald. Will the situation be better or worse in 4 years? In my estimation, the post-Trump situation won’t be as bad as the post-Hillary situation. Is that a given? Hell no – just the guess of one midwestern dickweed.

        So you can be pure of thought and pure of deed and be the minority. Or you can, in your words, be a worthless, no-values fascist and your sucky party has some control of the presidency.

        I don’t actually give a shit, or even two shits, if you are likeable or good-looking or have lots of money. I only care that you follow the Constitution when I am watching and have personal integrity so that when I am not watching or cannot see you, I know that you are trying to do the right thing – that is my definition of integrity. I don’t know what Trump will do if he is elected. Unlike Reagan he was not a governor or hold high public office before running for President. But I know about Hillary – she will not follow the Constitution as I understand it and she has zero (maybe negative) personal Integrity. So I have an unlikeable, rich, Constitutionally- and integrity-unknown versus Hillary.

        The solution is to fix the Republican party and find someone that meets my requirements. Okay. Right now I’m thinking about lemonade and a shit sandwich.

        I don’t like my choices but I accept them for what they are.

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        1. OK, I’m going to address this a bit at a time.

          So who do you suggest that we vote for? Because unless it is Shillary, whoever it is they won’t win. Split the other party vote and they will lose the election. It is a time-honored technique and it works 100% of the time.

          You’ve basically missed the whole point of my post here. It’s not about winning or losing an election. It’s about who will be best for this country. I don’t give a fuck if the President has a “D” or an “R” behind his name! Those are just labels. And a Trump with an “R” behind his name is no less leftist, morally corrupt, ignorant, and statist than Hillary.

          I don’t suggest you vote for anyone. You need to follow your conscience. My only request is that you do so rationally, instead of pulling the lever for the douche with the “R” merely because he’s an “R.”

          I’m just positive that if we all vote for the same loser or lots of different losers the Republican Party will learn a lot from that. Since the party will have learned so much, they will do what we all want next year. Sure, that seems highly probable.

          And how has giving them your vote, regardless of the kind of crappy candidate they threw your way working out for you? How has holding your nose year after year worked out? Rewarding them with your vote, even though they keep feeding you that shit sandwich is not likely to make them change. THEY are responsible for the Trumpster fire to begin with. THEY should be held accountable, and not rewarded with your vote, which will keep them doing the same thing over and over again, because they know your attitude is “I have to accept my choices.” Let them reap the consequences.

          Working from little information, I’m going to ask a legal question. Suppose that we all of us write in and vote for X – any X, for the sake of argument, say Matt Drudge. Is it possible for X to win if they are not officially on the ballot? I’m pretty sure that the process doesn’t allow or account for a big write-in vote so even if X wins the popular vote by a landslide, the electoral college is going to pick a candidate from the blessed list.

          Not a lawyer, but Rob is more familiar with the rules than I am, so maybe he knows.

          If Donald is the candidate and if we, that is all of us, do not vote for Donald then we are, in effect, voting for Hillary because failing to elect Donald means that the Republican party will be split and Hillary will be elected. Deal with it. We have a fucked up party and a process that works in a specific way and we cannot fix them in our favor before November.

          That is a false dichotomy. If we do not vote for Trump, and say, for the sake of argument, instead vote for the LP candidate, we are voting for the LP candidate. No, we’re not voting for Hillary. We are voting for the candidate we believe best reflects our views. If for you that’s Trump, go for it. If it’s Hillary, more power to you. If it’s Gary Johnson, or whoever else the LP runs this year, that’s your vote. The thinking that if you don’t vote for a D or an R, you’re voting for the greater of the two evils is the type of thinking that keeps us on this crazy carousel in the first place without the ability to get off.

          BTW – I just saw a recent poll that said Gary Johnson is polling in the double digits against Hillary and Trump, and he’s pulling more support from Hillary than he is from Trump. So, your assessment appears to be false in that respect anyway.

          So we don’t vote for Trump and Hillary gets elected. Do you think that the Republican party and the overall process will be more favorable in 4 years?

          Do you think it will improve if you once again reward the GOP with your vote, even though they’ve screwed the pooch?

          So you can be pure of thought and pure of deed and be the minority. Or you can, in your words, be a worthless, no-values fascist and your sucky party has some control of the presidency.

          You’re making a mistake here. As my friend Larry Correia says, I’m hiring a candidate for a job, not electing a deity. As a hiring manager, I always look for the candidate I believe will be best for my office. As a voter, I will always vote for the candidate I believe will be best for the country. I don’t look at race, religion, or political affiliation when I hire an employee. I don’t do so when I vote to hire a President either. Ultimately, it’s irrelevant to me to what party they belong, because the party is just a label.

          Again, it’s not about winning. The only way we all win is if we hire the best candidate for the job. That, my friend, is not Trump. He has not shown the integrity, intelligence, willingness to learn and understand the issues, or maturity and strength required for a President and Commander-in-Chief. And I will not be held responsible for electing an amoral, narcissistic, statist shitbag, who claims it’s perfectly OK to bomb the shit out of families – women and children – of terrorists, and he will order the military to do so. Nope. I’m not going to be responsible for this kind of shitbaggery.

          I don’t actually give a shit, or even two shits, if you are likeable or good-looking or have lots of money. I only care that you follow the Constitution when I am watching and have personal integrity so that when I am not watching or cannot see you, I know that you are trying to do the right thing – that is my definition of integrity.

          Same here. And based on Trump’s statements, his policy positions, and his behavior during the primary season, I assess he wouldn’t know the Constitution if it jumped up and bit his shriveled sack. He’s more than willing to use force, to use the government to force his will, and to reverse himself on multiple positions. That’s what you would rather vote for as President? No thanks.

          I don’t like my choices but I accept them for what they are.

          I do too, and my choices are much greater than Statist R or Statist D.

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        2. Richard,

          You seem to be proceeding from a false assumption, and (I think) I’ve seen Sarah Hoyt do the same thing. You’re assuming that Nicki is kinda upset with the GOP for picking a suboptimal–but still better than Hitlary–candidate, so she’s threating to pick up her marbles and go home.

          No.

          Nicki’s position is that Trump is literally no better than Hitlary and that he is as unacceptable as she is. Why, under those circumstances, should she (or anyone else who thinks the same way) vote for him? (In fact, there are decent tactical arguments for voting for the D, not the R, under those circumstances–but Nicki’s not going there so I won’t rehash them.)

          But now people say it’s our obligation to vote for an unacceptable candidate simply because of their party affiliation…BULLSHIT. There is NO good reason to vote for a candidate who is just as bad as the other major candidate, because it makes no difference which one wins!

          Mind you, I am not, myself, sure I agree with Nicki as to just how bad Trumpolini is (after all, Hitlary is serious competition for any competition for worst shitstain alive), but I think I do understand where she’s coming from, and I decided to try to explain it from a different angle than she did, in the hope that one or the other would finally get you to understand. (I hate watching a long turdwrangle of an argument where it’s plainly obvious to me that two good people are simply talking past each other, and neither one of them is actually responding to the other’s point. Though in this case, I think Nicki understands what you’re saying better than vice-versa.)

          Of course, that entails a risk. I might, in fact, not really understand Nicki’s point, and if I’ve managed to butcher it, I beg her forgiveness.

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        3. LOL – You did just fine, Steve. Thank you!

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        4. *whew*

          I was most of the way through writing all that and then I realized that A) I could be putting words in someone else’s mouth, B) that someone else could be very unhappy if I did so wrongly, and C) that someone else is armed. 🙂 So I had to make it clear any misrepresentation was unintentional. Glad I did get it right. Hopefully Richard will figure this out. To address your actual point, he’ll have to convince you Trumpolini is not as bad as Hitlary, NOT convince you that you shouldn’t “throw your vote away” (oh how I hate that phrase) in a pique.

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        5. Same here. I hate that “throw your vote away” bullshit! Honestly, if someone put a gun to my head and said “Vote Hillary or Trump. There is no other, and you will die if you don’t vote for one of them,” I’d vote for Hillary.

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        6. I’d vote for Hillary.

          They might have to shoot me. Or not–I still have family depending on me. So, yeah because when the inevitable disaster happens, I want it to be quite clear which party’s policies are to blame. I don’t want a “Trump’s fault” to reset the counter on the old (and wearing thin) “Bush’s fault”.

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        7. Well, remember – we’re talking gun to head, choose or die.

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        8. Of late, I’ve been reading up on Islam. A holy book that makes one say “Holy shit!” (or less ambiguously, “Holy bullshit!”).

          But anyway, I have to say that when I read your comment about having a gun put to your head, my thought bubble was “Bipartisanship by the sword.”

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        9. Apparently, I cannot reply to your post so I am replying to my own post. If that can be unwrapped, maybe I will make some sense.

          You said: “You’ve basically missed the whole point of my post here. It’s not about winning or losing an election. It’s about who will be best for this country. I don’t give a fuck if the President has a “D” or an “R” behind his name! ”

          I apologize for missing the point of your post – I have no excuse. I will try to do better.

          We completely agree on the parties. Ds buy votes either by

          1. allowing more people to access the public teat or
          2. telling better-off (more successful) people that assuage their guilt, their government is helping poor people so they don’t have to get their hands dirty,
          3. by voting for us, you prevent the Rs from getting into office and spoiling your chance to assuage your guilt for being successful

          Rs have a different issue. Ds are buying votes with money or emotion. Rs ostensibly want better government and better people but you cannot eat purity of purpose and the Ds are winning the contest. In order to compete the Rs have had to adopt approximately the same schemes with approximately same schemes and they have lost their way.

          In my opinion, the Ds and the Rs are the same except for their extremists – communists and socialists versus ours. In an effort to avoid a degenerating name calling contest, I will let each of us name their own version of right-wing extremists.

          You said,

          “You’re making a mistake here. As my friend Larry Correia says, I’m hiring a candidate for a job, not electing a deity. As a hiring manager, I always look for the candidate I believe will be best for my office. As a voter, I will always vote for the candidate I believe will be best for the country. ”

          We are going to disagree on this. I am not hiring anyone. If I was hiring someone then the rest of you wouldn’t get a vote – it would be my decision. If it is a committee decision, it is either unanimous or we all vote and then the boss decides. In a national election I am voting and the process decides who won. I want it to be a hiring decision but that isn’t what is happening. Pretending that I decide who to hire helps to identify the candidate who best represents my views and that works pretty well at the local level and during primaries – both cases where I have a lot of choices – but we have a 2 party system. This is not like a parliament where minority parties are important. I watch the Knesset discussions in Israel – wow! But in those situations small parties can be very important – kingmakers even. We aren’t organized like that. I don’t know Larry, but I disagree with him on this topic. In our system, voting for a 3rd party candidate means one less vote for some R or D.

          You said,

          “THEY should be held accountable, and not rewarded with your vote, which will keep them doing the same thing over and over again, because they know your attitude is “I have to accept my choices.” Let them reap the consequences.”

          You make the point that voting for Trump tells the Rs that we like it this way. Put another way, we don’t seem to have a way to tell them how pissed off we are. Yeah, that is a problem. I see three ways to fix that:

          1. come up with a new party that takes all of the Rs – leave them stranded
          2. replace the leadership with someone responsive to the conservatives
          3. vote for Hillary

          I suppose that I don’t need to point out that the conservatives didn’t capture the imagination of the electorate so we are not going to take all their voters. I’m going out on a limb here — the Strumpet is exactly the second message. “I’m popular and you suck, do it my way or get tossed out!” I confess, if that is the message I really don’t like Trump as the messenger. He is everything that you say. I cannot vote for someone who I consider to be both felonious and amoral. If you say that Trump and Hillary are more alike than different, I am afraid that you might be right.

          What can I say to get the electorate to recognize that both Trump and Hillary are bad for each of us as individuals and bad collectively for our national security, our children and our prosperity? If we had a champion who could convince 51% of the electorate, then we could get something done.

          Ya know … In November we also reelect the House of Representatives. Maybe a bigger batch of conservative House members would help Mr. Ryan to understand that he needs us. According to the Constitution all spending bills have to originate in the House … use the power of the purse strings. I have an “establishment” congressman. Maybe I need to take a close look at my choices.

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  10. “And the last 2 elections this caused folks to stay home like little pouty babies instead of exercising their right to vote for the best (or least worst) candidate and we got 8 years of an America hating, socialist muslim sympathizer, instead of someone who probably shared most of our values.”

    Bullshit – My choosing to vote for none of the above the past two terms was not the reason obama was elected…There was NO best or “least worst” candidate in my opinion and I refused then as I will from this day forward to help elect any individual who does not meet MY litmus test for Political office….

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    1. Thank you for making my point. I’m sure you are an honorable dude if you’re reading Nicki’s blog, but folks staying home was exactly what got us Obama, and is what’s probably gonna get us Hillary.

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      1. No, and still no. I voted my conscience in 08 and 12. Did that help to elect obama? No. It was the people who will come out in droves to elect either hillary or bernie because thats who they want in the white house…Period. Will I vote for Trump? not a chance in hell. I know what and who he is….I would rather be stabbed in the front by a known enemy than in the back by a supposed friend, one I can defend against – the other I can’t…

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        1. Exactly. Until the GOP can muster an honorable plurality of their registered voters, claims of “you allowed candidate X to win”….fall utterly flat.

          And to echo…..not a chance in hell.

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      2. Why is electing an amoral, ignorant, corrupt, anti-gun authoritarian any different because he has an “R” after his name? He’s still an amoral, ignorant, corrupt, anti-gun authoritarian. The fact that he now is registered Republican doesn’t change his nature.

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  11. Each party has chosen the form of its destructor.
    Zool is pleased.
    SMOD sightings ahead.

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  12. […] Source: Screw your party! (With a teeny, tiny, schadenfreudy update) […]

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  13. Perfect. I’m getting tired of the whining about the ‘establishment’ and ‘anointed candidates’. GOP voters cast their ballots for them, and their now [presumably most] going to cast their ballot for an orange Leftist. Those who complain most about a lack of choice, box themselves into the prison of political duopoly.

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  14. Erin Palette

    At this point, I just want both parties to burn to the ground. They’re corrupt juggernauts whose only purpose is to perpetuate themselves and their preferred form o big government.

    I would also like to actually have viable third-party alternatives.

    Finally, I want whoever nominates the next SCOTUS judge to not be a raving lunatic who doesn’t give a damn about my rights.

    Who do I vote for, then? I can’t stand Trump and I won’t vote for Hillary, and while I appreciate the principle of “Vote your conscience for Johnson (or whoever)”, that’s only effective if enough of us do it — and sadly, there are enough folks out there who truly do believe that voting third-party is a vote for [candidate they hate] and so that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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  15. Well the Trumprrhoids are out in force already, predicting that he will just absolutely *crush* Hitlary.

    What planet do they live on? Seriously, what the fucking fuck planet do they live on?

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  16. To paraphrase the title of your last post…We Always Get What We Deserve.
    Lying, corrupt, criminal, incompetent politicians are just something we joke about. Laugh, shrug our shoulders and turn our attention to other things. It’s part of our culture, and at 62 years of age I’ve never seen it change and don’t expect to see it change in the future.
    Looking at what’s happening now at federal and state level, I think I’m done. I bow out of the futile circus. I’m too damn tired to fight the morons anymore.

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  17. Ghost Rider 6

    My best hope, at this point, is that someone will be able to rise to the occasion and unfuck this mess in 2020. But being fully aware how difficult it is to unfuck something, I’m not greatly encouraged.

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  18. I’m off Facebook for a while, but I’ve just written a brilliantly insightful review of Sarah Hoyt’s most recent vampire vs musketeer book.
    May I post the link here?
    And if I do, would someone copy the link to the Diner?

    I’d hate for y’all to miss out on some of the most delightful review writing ever to come down the internet just because I’m not getting along with social media at this point.
    On the other hand, it IS totally unrelated to anything in this column.

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    1. Want to do a guest post?

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  19. I owe my vote to no one, for any reason at all. If the Republicans and Democrats want my vote, they need to earn it by putting forth candidates that I can support. I don’t expect 100 percent alignment with my personal positions, but I have to at least feel good about backing that candidate.

    Neither of those parties have, nor will they in the foreseeable future.

    So, I’ll go Johnson or Peterson (whoever the Libertarians nominate). The LP has some serious issues in how they decide to prioritize, but I’m not as worried about that as I am the idea of either Trump of Clinton becoming president in part because of my vote.

    And I’m seriously considering slapping the crap out of the next person who calls it a wasted vote or a vote for Hillary. They trot that out every year, and have yet to actually support it with any facts.

    I could argue that a vote for either Trump or Hillary this year is a vote for candidates who really don’t give a damn about you and will say anything to get elected.

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    1. Tom, didn’t the 2000 Ralph Nader vote in Florida cost Al Gore the state and thus the election?
      It’s a single-issue election for me. I think both choices are bad, and I’m PROBABLY going to vote for Trump (gag) because I don’t think he will actively attack the Second Amendment the way his opponent will. It is a decision I do not doubt will bother me later on, but KNOWING that she is aligned with gun-grabbers makes the difference.
      You know where I live; drop by and get some ammo and we’ll head to the resistance site when it all goes down.

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      1. Nader is probably the closest case of it happening, but that only holds if you assume the votes “belonged” to Gore. It’s also possible Nader supporters would have stayed home. Impossible to say for certain.

        That said, point taken. I should have meant libertarian candidates costing elections for the GOP, since that’s what I meant. My bad.

        As for Trump and 2A, I don’t trust him to leave it alone, or even to appoint SCOTUS judges who will honor it. I’d rather back a candidate who actually will. Even if he loses, I can at least sleep at night.

        Trump may turn out fine. The last time I held that hope was 8 years ago, and we all know how that turned out.

        As for heading to the resistance site, I’m down with that action. Especially since my in-laws are selling the farm in Baker County I was planning on using.😉

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  20. Cognitive dissonance at its very worst. The meme I post on this as a response because I’m tired of repeating myself says thus: “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong.

    When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief the new evidence cannot be accepted.

    And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with that core belief.”

    Looking at the Libertarians now, but they are weak in some key areas. So it looks like Ted Cruz will be my write in. I will not compromise on my own particular set of principles.

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    1. wanderingmuses

      Writing in Cruz is my position at the moment and will probably still be come November.

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  21. I have never been a member of any political party. From 1984 (first time I was age-eligible to vote for president) through 2000 I voted Libertarian. Because even back then I recognized the system was corrupt. Only looking back I regret not voting for Reagan. But I was young. 2004 I voted for W., simply because of 2001. I voted for McCain because 1) I had to stop a marxist and 2) Palin (such a disappointment from the establishment and now from her) and for Romney because I had to stop the continued ruination of this country.

    I don’t vote for a party. I vote for Enlightenment ideals as espoused in the Declaration of Independence and enacted through the U.S. Constitution. This year it appears that neither the Democratic nor the Republican party will nominate such a candidate. Most Likely I’ll go back to voting Libertarian, even though I dislike their foreign policy position.

    Being at peace with my conscience is more important than “winning” by selling out.

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  22. Me, I’ll vote Libertarian, as I always have. My candidate never wins, but I can respect myself in the morning.

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    1. Yep. And you don’t need a shower in boiling Listerine after you get home from the polls.

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  23. All you people arguing. Shesh, I just want a pony,,,

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    1. I know right? This country needs Dental Police ASAP!

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  24. Trump is universally hated by the “establishment”, both Democrats and Republicans. In a world where Trump is President, I’d like to think that both sides would “unite” and spend most of their time stonewalling anything Trump tries to do. If he breaks the law, I’d bet he’ll be held to the highest standard possible because he has no friends to shield him from scrutiny. This thrills me, because when government is expending all its energy on infighting they can’t spend their energy screwing with my life. Contrast the “Trump” situation with the election of Hillary and you’ve automatically got a President who is more than willing to break the law, with approx. 50% of Congress that will protect her from the consequences because she’s Democrat Royalty. Trump is a boorish idiot who hopefully won’t have any real power, but Hillary is an empowered statist who will wipe her Benefiber-becrusted ass with the Constitution, and the entire Democrat party (With attendant RINOs) will applause while she does it. Trump is a nightmare, but Hillary is waking up from that nightmare to a 350Lbs. naked and sweaty home-invader with halitosis lying right on top of you in bed.

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  25. Personally, to keep Hillary Rodham Umbridge out of the White House, I’d vote for a real ape. And, even though I’m not a Trump supporter, I do think that making fun of his hair is the kind of thing I would have scorned as babyish when I was in junior high.

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