Absurdity On Guns & The ‘No-Fly’ List

Many of the more anti-gun Presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Martin O’Malley, Chris Christie, Donald Trump (despite his claims to be ‘very strong into the whole thing with Second Amendment’), and John Kasich, have come out in support of legislation depriving anyone on the ‘no fly list’ of their Second Amendment rights. Kasich’s supporters here in Virginia even cast it as the ‘common sense approach’, and one of the chief contributors to TBE’s moderate Republican counterpart defended him, positing that there is due process involved with said list. I hear he has a law degree.
To be blunt, this is rank nonsense. There is NO semblance of due process involved when it comes to the no-fly list. To advocate depriving Americans of a basic, Constitutionally-protected, civil right on the basis of the subjective judgements of unelected bureaucrats is nauseating. I always thought that ‘due process’ involved at least seeing the evidence against you. Apparently, the entire Democratic field, along with the more statist Republican candidates, don’t think so.
Thankfully, the rest of the Republican field rejects this idea. Even national security blanket-hugger Marco Rubio, whose major flaw is his eagerness to please the more hawkish elements of the Republican party by committing the United State to ever more third world conflicts if elected and to trade liberty for security, recognizes what a horrible idea this is. Our new Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, also rejected it.
The no-fly list, includes a huge number of Americans with no apparent ties to any terrorist group of any kind, as indicated by the graph below (H/T: The Intercept):

But hey, it’s for NATIONAL SECURITY. Don’t ask questions, Citizen!

The firestorm over Trump’s proposal to ban all Muslim immigration to the United States (at least temporarily) has put this issue on the back burner the past few days, but make no mistake: It indicates who has respect for the Constitution, and who does not. No candidate who advances this concept deserves conservative support.

Originally posted at The Bull Elephant.

9 responses

  1. Ah! That infamous ‘no, you can’t fly’ list! Well, you can always check to see if your name is on it and get it removed if you’re there by mistake. Make the bastards prove there’s a reason for it to be there. And then you can make a lot of noise and boycott the airlines. Or take the train or Greyhound. I have seldom flown anywhere, but my last experience on a commercial airliner was the fall of 2000 and it was so awful that I decided I would never get on a commercial plane again. I’d get a license and fly my own plane if I have to. Or walk or take the train.
    But the real solution to that is to put all THEIR names on the no-fly list and see how long it takes them to squawk about it, never mind having access to a gun. And that should include their personal bodyguards – which I don’t have – who do have GUNNZZ! and are obviously slimy, traitorous and completely dangerous individuals. If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander, right?
    Foie gras, anyone?

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  2. I’ll admit to not knowing anything about how the no-fly list is compiled, but is it possible that erroneous additions to the list are a result of the mass gathering of phone data? Let’s say Achmed, a known terrorist, accidentally dials my number then I am added to the list as one of his contacts and therefore a risk.

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    1. I suppose that’s possible, but the threshold isn’t even all that high. I read somewhere that more than 95 percent of nominations to the no-fly list are automatically accepted, so the bulk phone collection data probably doesn’t even play into it.

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  3. I mentioned this below and I’ll do it again here: When I came back from Kuwait on leave, the airline switched my flight to accommodate my earlier than expected arrival. Apparently the computer flagged that change because it was some kind of 1 way ticket. When I showed up to fly back, I was informed I was on the no fly list. Unfortunately, it was apparently easy to remove me as the airline employee did it right there so I had to go back to Kuwait. It seems a lot of the no-fly stuff is just compiled by computers flagging suspicious flight changes and stuff like that.

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    1. That’s pretty much it. The standard is ridiculously low, and the majority of the nominations to the no-fly list are accepted without even a question.

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  4. i also think that the no-fly list has often devolved into a political hit list for enemies of the ruling class. i can’t prove it, but i have my suspicions. just going on what has happened in the past, i would expect nothing less.
    what better way to keep control of the right wingers than to at least make it more difficult for them to travel.
    this program is one that both the dems and the repubs embrace. the patriot act is nothing less than another way to keep us under it’s thumb, and the no-fly list is just an extension of it. shame on both of them, and shame on us for letting them get away with it.

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  5. Ummmm…gang….I’m afraid this willbea deal more than a “can’t get on the airplane”….this is going to be a lose your weapons…lose your cw license deal. Some one will TRY to collect them,sooner or later unless this thing is quashed. You will know it is bad when the List has a sudden growth of names all of whom b=are members of the NRA.

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  6. And this is one of the reasons I have so many politicians on my No-Vote list.

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  7. […] list of some pretty egregious government infringements is long and distinguished – from the secretive, nearly arbitrary “no-fly” list, to continued assaults on our Second Amendment rights after every tragedy, to the EPA, IRS, BLM, […]

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