Veterans and Guns

Lots of vets are coming back from downrange, depressed and downright traumatized. They’ve been away from their families. They need to adjust to being with their loved ones. They need to deal with the horrors of war they may have experienced. It’s difficult. It’s frightening.

And sometimes they need help.

Problem is because of the paranoid, hoplophobic gun grabbers we have in this country, these veterans, who have fought to defend the Constitution of the United States, and who made a commitment to defend this nation, are being deprived of their Constitutional rights merely because they sought help.

After the massacre at Sandy Hook, this nation began to focus on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. The problem is that as usual, those wishing to fix things overreact and wind up snaring law-abiding citizens in their anti-freedom snare.

Case in point – AB.

As it happens, AB called the Veterans Authority to get some help with the depression he was experiencing. but instead of the VA helping him, the agency called the local police department in Daytona Beach.

The Daytona Beach police swooped down on AB’s home and had him forcibly committed to the hospital for a psychological evaluation. Then the police crashed through his home and confiscated all his guns, ammunition, bows, arrows, and anything else they thought could be used as a weapon.

AB was eventually cleared as mentally fit, but now the police are refusing to return the man’s personal property illegally taken from his home.

AB filled out all the proper paperwork, filed all the medical affidavits the cops demanded he obtain, but still authorities refuse to return the property.

Now police are saying they’ll need a court order which means the poor citizen would be forced to withstand the burden of gaining legal counsel and going to court.

So because AB recognized he needed some help getting over his depression, and called the VA, which is supposed to be a resource to help those who have returned from serving their nation, he has been victimized by “the law” – his property stolen and his rights trampled.

Most vets who return from downrange and who suffer from post traumatic stress are not violent. Holding PTSD and depression responsible for violence in vets is simplistic and incorrect.

“When you hear about veterans committing acts of violence, many people assume that post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or combat exposure are to blame,” Elbogen said. “But our study shows that is not necessarily true.” The national survey revealed that other factors are just as important to understanding violence in veterans, including alcohol misuse, criminal background, as well as veterans’ living, work, social, and financial circumstances. In fact, the survey found that veterans who didn’t have enough money to cover basic needs were more likely to report aggressive behavior than veterans with PTSD.

And yet, a man realizes he needs help, uses the resources available to him to do so, and is promptly relieved of his rights.

Worse yet, he must spend money and time to get his property back, because the “authorities” refuse do return it.

This is not being proactive. It’s being paranoid and tyrannical. This isn’t about keeping guns out of the hands of potentially violent people who would harm others. This is about keeping guns out of the hands of the people.

This will also prevent veterans from getting help when they need it. Why would they want to contact the VA if they will be treated like common criminals for their trouble? Why would they admit that they need help with depression, if their trust will be violated, their property will be confiscated and they will have to spend money and effort to have their rights restored?

These types of situations will ensure that fewer and fewer veterans will seek help – help they may desperately need and they richly deserve after having served their nation.


8 responses

  1. If they had a little more support from their government and the citizens they protect–say at the very least hot meals while serving in country, that would go a long way toward alleviating depression.

    The IRS gets $49 million to throw parties and our troops don’t even get decent meals.


  2. On what grounds did the police act? Can’t this man sue the county for its reckless actions? Further, what actions will be taken against the thuggish actions of the police involved?


  3. A good friend of mine served two tours – one in Iraq and then another in Stan – as a scout. Of course that was after a deployment to Serbia (or is it Bosnia?) It took him a while to adjust back to “normal.” The VA treated him pretty poorly. They offered to ‘treat’ his suspected brain injury from multiple IED explosions, which would have put him on a list. He smartly said “no thanks.” After a few years of civilian life, he’s back in the Guard and is now an 89D.


  4. the va is a corrupt organization run by this corrupt government. its time to get rid of these people who run this organization and put in some honest vets who will help the veterans.


  5. Veteran or not these types of policies do nothing but discourage all kinds of folks that need, seek and could benefit from help from ever getting it.

    Instead of going in with understanding and compassion these idiots in power are going in with preconceived stigma and judgement.


  6. Having been through this EXACT scenario, minus the confiscation of property. I can say that I will NEVER call the V.A. help line again. 72 hours in the V.A. Psych ward. 5 Patrol cars. Guys on my front lawn with AR-15s and side arms drawn. The only saving grace was the guys were cool enough not to put me in cuffs after I complied. I Can’t say the same for the rookie assholes in the ER that decided a show of force was needed in the case of 3-1 odds in their favor.
    Fuck the V.A..


  7. Ms. Nicki… I really had to sleep on this one… see, I’ve been a federal police officer of one stripe or another since 1981 and was a VA Police Officer for 10 years right up to last summer. In the VA to only office that’s supposed to contact the local po-pos on something like this IS the VA Police. It’s assumed we’ll communicate the level of concern and threat as necessary so they DON’T go all tactical on some poor Vet having a bad day, we speak the same language so to say. I’ve made more “Health and Welfare” requests than I can count. Spent literally hours on the phone talking men and a few women down and had them thank me weeks later… not blowing my horn here. I’m a Vet myself as is my son, figure it could be me on the other end of the phone someday. Honestly, when they were talking suicide and I couldn’t talk them down or talk them in to coming in to the hospital I’d rather a civil cop go and make sure they’re alright than hear about it in the news the next day. I’ve had that happen and as a federal officer I am prohibited from going myself… and yes, I have gone after my shift was over much to my wife and boss’s unhappiness. When I did call the locals, the one thing I could not control was who actually went to the house to check on the Vet. There always the chance it was some young kid new to the profession or some old bastard who saw it as just a job… either end of the spectrum resulted in idiocy like this, One of the true “thin blue line” professionals went and the Vet was treated with dignity and respect… and most importantly got whatever help he or she needed and deserved. Not saying the VA isn’t at fault in this…but at least they (our Boss down in DC) told the New York state government they WOULD NOT share psychological/psychiatric information with them so they could pre-emptively go confiscate a Veteran’s firearms just in case they had PTSD or something…

    Oh, and Bee…gunsholstersandgear…whiteonegolf…the VA screws up too often, but I can introduce you to 50 men and women for everyone you find to complain… who will tell you and the ones who complain they’re wrong about the VA. Not defending the REMFs & Pogues over in Veteran’s Benefits taking years to get a claim thorough – hell, doing it to both me (Desert Storm/Shield)and my son (OIF/OEF)… but I’m a Vet and I work a VA myself…


    1. Thank you for your service, sir.

      Here’s the problem. For every one time this happens, you will have numerous vets refusing help. It’s probably not common, but when it does, as it did in this case, it’s egregious and detrimental to the veteran.


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